Q&A: Patch 9.16’s Tier List
Every patch, our experts curate a predictive tier list for climbing solo queue. We created this Q&A series to address the most common questions for each individual tier list, this one is for Patch 9.16. If you’d like your question to be answered, leave a comment in our tier list article, in our Youtube video’s comments, or send us a message in our Discord.
We don’t answer every question but we do read all of them so you always have a chance! Note that some answers within this article may be slightly altered for readability.
If you want to know the best champs to climb with this patch, here’s our LoL tier list for Patch 9.16. If you want to know what our experts thought of the patch as a whole, check out our 9.16 Patch Breakdown.
1. Can I take Smite/Spellbook on Thresh?
2. Does Irelia + Taric bot work?
3. Why does the high ELO list suggest Kha’Zix and Rengar?
4. Why is Urgot good in this meta?
5. Why is Vel’Koz S-tier on the regular list and B-tier for high ELO?
Questions and Answers
1. “I feel like I’m crazy, but I keep wanting to take Smite (Spellbook) on Thresh support. I haven’t had the guts to take it into my Diamond ranked games, but I keep winning in norms.” – Zaky-Bear (Youtube)
- There is some precedent here with melee supports taking Spellbook like Braum and Tahm Kench as it’s quite useful on support to be able to adapt and have so many Summoner Spell options when roaming.
- Since you’re starting Smite, you can even go for cheesy Baron steals or buffs steals. No jungler will have the mental fortitude to come back from a game where a support out-Smites them. It’s pretty much a free win, at that point the enemy team will probably flame them for it too.
- BUT the difference between those two champs and thresh is they have built in tools to protect themselves, thresh even has bad early game base stats due to having to stack souls but adam doesn’t he have latern to shield himself, yes but it’s terrible.
- Thresh, unlike TK and braum is also looking to engage or iniate kills more often during the laning phase so having the extra durability from aftershock or guardian suits him more. In conclusion spellbook isn’t bad but it’s worse than his current meta options.
2. “Could Irelia and Taric bot work? The surprise stun with Irelia’s Dash and Taric’s E could be very powerful and then it’s super easy for Irelia to reset. And maybe double Targon’s?” – Masukee Gaming (Youtube)
- This combo should be fine due to a an easy double stun and tower dive potential – I would try double Targon’s for it personally. In general, I like these melee all-in combos with Taric as it can snowball and punish poor laning very well.
- Irelia, Yasuo, Rengar, Ekko, and Pyke are all able to pair up well with Taric to get easy stun combos into an all-in and are perfect for punishing champs like Jinx who have no way to stop this kind of aggression. I also highly recommend trying it into supports like Sona or Brand who are known for chain feeding if the laning phase doesn’t go well.
- All you need to do is ban Morgana so Black Shield doesn’t stuff your engage attempts and you can look to punish bad laners extremely hard with this combo.
3. “I wanna know why the tier list for high elo suggests Kha’Zix and Rengar. What makes them so good in the right hands?” –
- Despite community perception, this comes from the fact that assassin junglers do a lot worse at lower levels of play.
- People tend to remember negatives more than positives so they remember all the times Kha’Ziox/Rengar got fed, and not the times they got fed and lost or didn’t get fed and were only useful as a heat source due to all of the flame coming out of them in chat.
- Let’s be real here people, Kha and Rengar 1 tricks who fall behind are not very pleasant. The reason for this is because those champs are not strong late game unless super fed. They don’t teamfight well and they are terrible from behind to begin with so the assassin jungler player would rather go next then be a team player.
- You can kind of see now why they don’t work as well at lower levels since they need to snowball reliably on champs who aren’t amazing pre 6, and then close the game out quickly before it gets too late in the game while also having great mechanics to pull off picks and outplays mid to late game.
- The window of power that they have is small but in high elo that window is strong enough that the Rengar/Kha player and their team can normally close the game out without too much issue.
4. “Why is Urgot in the meta?” – _ma.x.eto_
- Urgot is a champion that wins lane versus alot of popular melee champions such as Garen, Darius, Panth. Is that it? Is that all he’s good for? Yup pretty much but it’s enough.
- He so consistently wins lane versus melee champs that he becomes a reliable source for pressure in most of his games. Not only that, but he’s tanky enough and easy enough to execute that he can often 1v2 ganks and run over teamfights with a lead if the enemy team doesn’t have a lot of range champions, which is common in this meta.
- Think of him like ranged Illaoi in terms of his strengths and why he’s meta but without the tentacles. He was picked in competitive during his prime for the same reasons. He consistently won lane and had decent teamfighting, so expect him to stay top tier on the normal list for a pretty long time because the only thing that matters in top lane is if you won lane or not because it’s too hard to impact the game if you didn’t.
5. “What makes Vel’koz S tier in the regular tier list and just B tier in the high elo?” – Anouar Saadaoui (Facebook)
- Let’s list his strengths: Easy safe laning phase due to how well he can push and farm, strong poke, very good burst, strong siege teamfight and scales well.
- Pretty standard for an artillery mage but he has some weaknesses, skillshot reliant, poor roams, can be picked off or flanked easily.
- At lower levels, the pace of the game plays well into his strengths as most players aren’t proactive enough to beat Vel’Koz in lane and then he outplays them in NA Aram style of just grouping as 5 and taking a stroll down mid lane which is very common at lower levels.
- At high levels, the mid meta is all about high mobility assassins and heavy ganking junglers so Vel’koz normally gets camped and struggles to deal with this level of early game aggression.
- He can still do really well in certain matchups like versus Orianna or Azir for example but these matchups don’t appear as often in solo queue. He normally just ends up going up against Fizz + Jarvan IV and gets dove at his tier two tower.
Thanks for reading and watching! We’ll see you next time for Patch 9.16. As always, you can reach out to our team on Discord if you have any questions or feel free to leave a comment below.