League of Legends Patch 8.5 Tier List for Climbing Solo Queue

League of Legends Patch 8.5 Tier List for Climbing Solo Queue

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Welcome to the Mobalytics Predictive Tier List for League of Legends for Patch 8.5!

This list was curated in collaboration with our analyst, Hewitt “prohibit” Benson, our Challenger Coach, Adam “Morïarty” Isles, and our newest team member, Kellen “Exil” Pontius. Unlike most tier lists, we publish ours before, or as a patch goes live, according to the predictions of our in-house experts.

Here are the Patch 8.5 notes for reference.

If you have any questions about our choices or process, ask us on Discord! You can also read our tier list en Español here.

The Format and Methodology

One quick note is that our difficulty rating has been slightly reworked after much feedback. Previously, difficulty ratings were solely based on champion mechanical cap or ceiling. This is why cases like Lux and Aurelion Sol were in the same boat in terms of our old difficulty. Aurelion Sol involves more game knowledge and understanding and is by definition a hard champion, but Lux is also a champion with 4 skill shots, so we took that into consideration.

We appreciate your feedback, and we have now changed it from focusing on mechanical difficulty to “Learning Curve”. This will be much more designed around the philosophy of how hard a champion is to play assuming you are brand new to them, or the role itself. Just remember that difficulty and skill are always subjective!

A quick disclaimer: If a champion isn’t on our Tier List, it doesn’t necessarily mean that you can’t climb with them. You’ll just have to put in more effort to get similar results as our Optimal, Great, and Good choices for climbing. 

Small patch, not too many big changes

UPDATES as of 3/15:

  • Top
    • Swain B to A
    • Sion S to A
    • Teemo A to B
    • Maokai A to B
  • Jungle
    • Volibear S to A
    • Nocturne added to A 
    • Kindred B to A
    • Shyvana B to A
    • Nunu A to S
  • Mid
    • Zilean S to A
    • Taliyah added to B
    • Vladimir added to B
    • Swain added to S
    • Karma B to A
  • ADC
    • Kai’Sa added to B
    • Twitch A to S
  • Support
    • No changes

Tier List 8.5Key commentary

This was a small patch so not a lot of commentary this time around, here are the major ones.

Rising Stock

Shaco

  • The reduction in vision due to the removal of Tracker’s Knife allows Shaco to snowball and assassinate more easily. He can convert his early leads into Baron which is now much better at closing games.

Cassiopeia

  • Cass has one of the smoothest build paths for a Mid laner due to Archangel’s recent changes. You can abuse Abyssal Mask to win lane and make scaling a breeze.

Anivia

  • Similar to Cass, Anivia’s normal build path with the AP item changes is quite strong and gives a lot more CDR. She also fares very well against other short-mid range Mid laners which are popular in the current meta.

On the decline

Zac

  • The nerfs to Cinderhulk + Warmog’s will cause Zac to take a big hit to his engage potential. He’ll still be Good but definitely will not be Optimal.

Tristana

  • Nerfs to her range are making it a lot harder for Trist to trade in the early levels. She’ll still scale into the late game so we’ll be keeping an eye on her.

As always, we welcome all discussion and feedback. If you have any questions about picks that we didn’t expand on or would like to let us know how you feel about Patch 8.5 and our predictions in general, join us in our Discord!

  • Pedram Delalat

    Really dont know who is making these tier lists – The jungle tier list is trash.
    Volibear is definitely not S tier, maybe in low elo… Shaco in S tier i dont know about that and Jax in B is just laughable, he is one of the best atm.

    • Agilio

      Our lists are created by three of our team members who range from Diamond to Challenger (the one who makes the Jungle portion has been Challenger since Season 3). We may very well be wrong on some things, but the patch is still quite new and for the most, our past lists show that a good amount of our recommendations hold true.

      What would your Jungle list look like?

      • kamienel

        Noc and kha should be in S. sejuani jarvan also can be in S. zac should be A.

        • kamienel

          And where is rengar???

          • prohibit

            Rengar is receiving pretty nice damage buffs on PBE because currently he’s pretty weak on live right now after the revert. Not quite enough damage to reliably assassinate his targets, especially with how popular Janna, Lulu and other protective supports are.

            Nocturne should definitely be on the list. We’ll be adding him next week. I remember use talking about him but we forgot to slot him in.

            We had a lot of internal debate about Kha’Zix because of how strong he is in high elo. Ultimately, this is a tier list for climbing and from personal experience and statistically data he performs pretty well outside of high elo but no where near his oppressiveness in Dia-Challenger games.

            Sejuani and Zac have already dropped pretty low in winrate after a few days on the new patch. They may find success after the Cinderhulk>Warmog’s strategy was nerfed but we predicted them to be hit pretty heavily until buff or that new build is discovered.

      • Anoniempje

        IMO: Voli: A, Noc: B, Jax: A, Rammus: Removed from the list or B.

      • Pedram Delalat

        S: WW
        A: Voli, Jax, Shaco, Udyr, Xin etc
        B: Nidalee, Reksai etc

      • Tassie456

        S: Shaco Jax Voli Nocturne Warwick Kha zix
        A: Zac Xin Udyr Nidalee Sejuani nocturne Rengar Nunu Skarner Vi Master Yi
        B: Rammus Kindred ivern Amumu Shyvana

        Thats what i think the jungle tier list should be.

    • Peter Saweres

      No, the list is good. After voli buffs he is being played to success in every elo, including high elo, and after the cindurhulk nerfs, jax isn’t nearly as strong as he can’t properly abuse it anymore. Get good at the game before you talk lol

      • Pedram Delalat

        No, the list is not good Kiddo. Jax is not as good as last patch but still one of the best – And no voli is not S tier in high elo. Now shut your mouth and go back to bed geek.

        • Matthew Gonzalez

          voli is insane atm, his passive healing can completely turn a fight or 1v1, his engage is insane with the movement speed buff and how he can fling people out of their own tower range with q, his e provides a small amount of cc and fears surronding minions = no minion agro for a few seconds, he can tower dive easily and just heal off of it like its nothing. did i mention his passive heals 30% of his max hp? and if you build spirit visage its even more

    • AzirLOrd

      And rengar is very strong don’t forget with the crit/lethal build

    • Tassie456

      Shaco is really good atm. You would know that if u werent playing a brainless tank toplaner in bzonze lol

    • Tassie456

      Voli is also really good. Cinderhulk nerfs dont hit him hard enough to be a tier yet. He is s tier in jungle adn toplane

  • Mario Lakita

    No nocturne?

    • prohibit

      He… flew under the radar for us. We will be adding him to our update next week.

      • Haku

        Where is the update?

    • Tassie456

      He is good. shaco is better though i guess

  • AzirLOrd

    Rengar??? Azir??? main both they are really good rn and gp is at least a tier if you learn him

  • Andre

    no olaf?

  • Jesse Warnaar

    Just a weird question. Why would you consider thresh a harder to play support than somebody like bard. From personal experience and the people around me I found that bard is the hardest support in the game. Where as thresh is quite straight forward, hit a hook on a tank and receive no punishment Like blitz or anything.

  • ExAcT Cross

    what yall know about that aatrox jg?

  • Philipp Szymański

    Kayn should be here, in A tier at least